Help!: Kurt Knispel(a) 1./s.H.Pz.Abt. 503 the truth, Turmnummer

James Laver

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Hello all, its been very exciting to read some of the excellent research done on Knispel (Knispela) by this forums members.


I am about to assemble a 1/6th scale all metal Tiger II R/C model made by an english company called Armortek UK. I would very much like to base the model′s design and finish (paint etc) on one of Knispel′s Tiger IIs (As well as Trojca′s excellent artwork). The BIG question is what Turmnummer(s)/Turret numbers were assigned to him? And did he serve in both early "Porsche" turreted Tiger IIs or only the serien-turm later turret?


As well as this, and perhaps more important to me is finding out how he died and why he never got the Knight′s cross. If he was the greatest Ace of the war then WHY do no German sources detail his history in a way that recognises his heroism and talent? The last few months of his life must have been the most arduous and hard any fighting man could have endured. A struggle that deserves recognition.


None of the references on Tiger warfare and design give any detail on his Kompanie or Zug (no tank numbers or details of colleagues other than Skoda). I include here references such as Jentz, Trojca, Schneider, Forty. Hauptmann von Diest Koerber did not say very much, was this because of the manner of Knispel and Skoda′s deaths?


From what I can understand of this forum′s contents, you guys have got much closer to finding out what happened late April 1945 near Altenmarkt, Nova Ves and Strondorf.


Regards and thanks,


James Laver
Swindon, UK
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Hi James,
greetings to Swindon, havent been there for years Smile, but lovely city ! And that crazy place with all the roundabouts nearby in Cirencester ? Smile

About your questions, i will translate them into czech so my colleagues may give you some answers and translate them back for you. We have one large thread about Kurt Knispel and some of your questions may be already answered there, so let us check and come back to you with (hopefully) the answers Very Happy



Preklad : James stavi RC model Tigru II v meritku 1:6 (tim bych mohl jezdit do prace Smile ), a rad by ho postavil jako tank Kurta Knispela. Otazka zni, jake mel tento tank cislo na vezi ? A jakou verzi veze vlastne jeho tank mel, early porsche, nebo pouze late verzi ?

Dale jsou zde otazky kolem jeho smrti a proc nebyl ocenen Rytirskym krizem, ale to je spise na diskusi kterou vedeme v paralelnim tematu.

Pokud nekdo muze poskytnout odpovedi k te vezi a cislu tanku, pomohlo by to, prelozim pak zpet do AJ Smile

Diky
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THANKYOU very much Diky...


James
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I′m glad that our research help you. Unfortunately, I can′t answer your first question, because not specializing on marking and camouflage issues. As far as I know, K.Knispel served in "serien-turm" turreted Tiger II during his battles on territories of Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Austria in the period from October 1944 till April 1945. Maybe in France K.Knispel served in early "Porsche" turreted Tiger II during Normandy campaign of summer 1944. Hopefully, somebody else will comment this question in more details.

Regarding details of K.Knispel′s last battle we have analysed all relevant sources, which we were able to find during last couple of years. Based on results of our research I can state, that K.Knispel had been mortally wounded near Stronsdorf (Austria) on 28th April 1945 in combat against Soviet tanks and assault guns. He had been evacuated to field hospital in Urbau (Vrbovec in Czech Republic), but died shortly afterwards. Then K.Knispel was buried on 29th April 1945 on small military cemetery in this village. He rest in peace with other German soldiers who died in the same field hospital during the last two weeks of April and the first week of May 1945.


Why K.Knispel never got the Knight′s cross? The answer is quite simple – he was excellent fighter but also undisciplined soldier. Somebody who is criticising his superior commanding officers and who is breaking rules of non-combat service, such soldier has no chance to be awarded in any armed forces. The German Wehrmacht wasn′t exemption and K.Knispel′s commanders at least three times refused proposal to decorate him with Knight′s cross.
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Vážený pane kolego,
pár informací o kamuflážích německých tanků z bojů na Moravě (1945) lze nalézt v česky napsané modelářsko-historické studii pánů: Miloše Ludvíka, Pavla Nejedlého a Jiřího Špinara: Tanky na Dyji.


Historie a plastikové modelářství 2006, č. 2, s. 22-31 a č. 3, s. 29-35 (ISSN 1210-1427).


Mohu dodat skeny.


Mohu zprostředkovat kontakt na autory.



Prosím o překlad.


Dear colleague,
certain amount of information on camo schemes of German tanks used during fighting in the Moravian region (1945) could be found in military historical study written by authors: Mr. Miloš Ludvík, Mr. Pavel Nejedlý and Mr. Jiří Špinar and titled "Tanks on (river) Dyje".
I am not sure whether there are bilingual picture captions there, but the text of study is only Czech. The study was published in Historie a plastikové modelářství (monthly magazine) nr. 2/2006, pages 22-31 and 3/2006, pages 29-35 (ISSN 1210-1427).
Mr. Tintera is willing to provide scans of this study and could mediate contact to above mentioned authors.


Prosba byla vyslyšena. #Evil Bat
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Mr Tintera, Thankyou very much for your reply. The article is about events in the Zjnomo region and so it would be very useful to me. I have not seen this particular photograph before but I think I recognise the Tiger II tank from other Czech photographs.


I would be very interested to know of any specific Tiger 2′s from s.Pz.Abt. 503 with their turret numbers as well as any information about Kurta Knispela or any of the other tank Kommanders.


The Tiger II in the picture (no. 323) looks like it was from 3./s.SS-Pz.Abt 501 (SS-Oscha)? - mainly because of the yellow an blue number painting.


(described clearly in a book by Waldemar Trojca (Polish): ′Konigstiger′ in colour.)


I can get the original article translated and so a PDF copy would be very useful.


Many thanks,


James



Pane Tintero, velmi děkuji za Vaši odpověď. Ten článek je o událostech v oblasti Znojma, takže by se mi velmi hodil. Tuhle konkrétní fotografii jsem dosud neviděl, ale snad najdu další tanky Tiger II na snímcích z Čech (a Moravy).


Velmi rád bych se dověděl něco o dalších tancích Tiger II z s.Pz.Abt. 503 a znal jejich věžová čísla. Stejně tak mne zajímají jakékoliv informace o Kurtu Knispelovi a dalších velitelích (tanků této jednotky).


Tiger II na obrázku (věžové číslo 323) vypadá, jako by patřil 3. (rotě?)/s.SS-Pz.Abt 501 (uvedena hodnost velitele - SS Oberscharführer) nejspíš vzhledem ke kombinaci modré a žluté barvy v číselném označení. Obrázek je v lepší kvalitě uveden v knize Waldemara Trojcy: "Königstiger in colour".


Ten článek si mohu nechat přeložit, takže by se mi hodil v .pdf formátu.


Mnohokrát děkuji.


James


palič #Evil Bat
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Vážený kolego "AbyssalPlain",
na vaši SZ jsem umístil instrukci pro stažení skenů HPM 2006 č. 2 a 3.


Prosím přeložit.


To AbyssalPlain:
Dear colleague,
I have sent a PM with instructions how to download scans of HaPM Nos 2 and 3 as mentioned above. Check your PM box here.


Prosbě bylo vyhověno #Evil Bat
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Thanks very much...


RGDS,


James
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